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In Hell difficulty, what immunes are in the pit?
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Jordan
2004-03-03 00:28:54 UTC
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Planning a Cold/Lightning sorc will she be able to handle the pit
guys?
paul
2004-03-03 02:45:50 UTC
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Post by Jordan
Planning a Cold/Lightning sorc will she be able to handle the pit
guys?
According to the guide, everything but poison. You could find the odd
Cold + Lightning immune random boss if they get the right attributes.
You could have a wand of lower resist on switch or just let them live.


paul
LineNoise
2004-03-03 03:57:09 UTC
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Post by Jordan
Planning a Cold/Lightning sorc will she be able to handle the pit
guys?
If you want to do a lot of pitting, I wouldn't recommend a sorc for it. If
you want to make an MF sorc, I wouldn't recommend running her in the pit.
You can get immunes to all three elements in there, so you'll be switching
attacks a lot.

Bowazon or Necro or Barb runs pit better. There's never any phys immunes
down there, aside from possibly a stoneskin Skel boss. For a sorc,
Meph/Baal are both good choices. Also Pindle, but not Shenk/Eld if you're
mostly cold.

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Jordan
2004-03-03 05:08:54 UTC
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Post by LineNoise
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Post by Jordan
Planning a Cold/Lightning sorc will she be able to handle the pit
guys?
If you want to do a lot of pitting, I wouldn't recommend a sorc for it. If
you want to make an MF sorc, I wouldn't recommend running her in the pit.
You can get immunes to all three elements in there, so you'll be switching
attacks a lot.
Bowazon or Necro or Barb runs pit better. There's never any phys immunes
down there, aside from possibly a stoneskin Skel boss. For a sorc,
Meph/Baal are both good choices. Also Pindle, but not Shenk/Eld if you're
mostly cold.
LineNoise
I see, thanks for the heads up, maybe I'll be using my Poison/Skelly
necro there instead. Baal is out since I'm in HC, maybe NM Baal. Meph
was in the plans from the beginning.
Jaakko Raipala
2004-03-03 07:02:19 UTC
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Post by LineNoise
Bowazon or Necro or Barb runs pit better. There's never any phys immunes
down there, aside from possibly a stoneskin Skel boss. For a sorc,
Meph/Baal are both good choices. Also Pindle, but not Shenk/Eld if you're
mostly cold.
Also, the Ancient Tunnels have no cold immunes. The Chaos Sanctuary is
also nice for mostly cold sorcs (only the OKs are immune and they're
no problem for a sorc, if your resistances are in order), but I don't
think it's one of the "high-level" areas? Well, no matter, I like to
do "tele-Diablo" runs anyway (the pentagram where Diablo spawns is
always monster free, so you can just teleport there past the RoF and
most of the CS and only clear the seal area) (I don't think I'd do that
in HC, though).
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2004-03-03 09:16:56 UTC
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Post by LineNoise
Bowazon or Necro or Barb runs pit better. There's never any phys immunes
down there, aside from possibly a stoneskin Skel boss. For a sorc,
Meph/Baal are both good choices. Also Pindle, but not Shenk/Eld if you're
mostly cold.
Also, the Ancient Tunnels have no cold immunes. The Chaos Sanctuary is
also nice for mostly cold sorcs (only the OKs are immune and they're
no problem for a sorc, if your resistances are in order), but I don't
think it's one of the "high-level" areas? Well, no matter, I like to
do "tele-Diablo" runs anyway (the pentagram where Diablo spawns is
always monster free, so you can just teleport there past the RoF and
most of the CS and only clear the seal area) (I don't think I'd do that
in HC, though).
I do tele-diablo when I'm rushing. I'd probably do it more often, but
every time I tele past an OKie, IM costs me 50k. I end up flat broke by
the end of the game half the time.

Partly, that's because 2/3rds of the monsters are fire immune, and my Orb
is a weak little thing. I have to have the merc alive to handle pit lords.

I managed to die on a rush tonight. Sissy didn't spawn where I thought he
spawned, and I tele'd right into the middle of his pack. Dead before I
could even reach for the pots.

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2004-03-03 11:06:45 UTC
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do "tele-Diablo" runs anyway (the pentagram where Diablo spawns is
always monster free, so you can just teleport there past the RoF and
most of the CS and only clear the seal area) (I don't think I'd do that
in HC, though).
I do tele-diablo when I'm rushing. I'd probably do it more often, but
every time I tele past an OKie, IM costs me 50k. I end up flat broke by
the end of the game half the time.
I just don't take my merc to the CS. It's pointless. Sometimes I need
to revive him for a dual immune boss, but he usually dies in two seconds
after that.
Post by LineNoise
Partly, that's because 2/3rds of the monsters are fire immune, and my Orb
is a weak little thing. I have to have the merc alive to handle pit lords.
Well, I don't have that problem. :-) Maxed Ice Bolt, level 28 Orb,
level 17 Mastery. I want to meet the goddamn clone with this char - at
least ordinary Diablo dies soooooooo fast it's completely ridiculous.
Post by LineNoise
I managed to die on a rush tonight. Sissy didn't spawn where I thought he
spawned, and I tele'd right into the middle of his pack. Dead before I
could even reach for the pots.
If it makes you feel any better, I've been dying, too. On friday, I
actually emptied the exp bar on my javazon (87 now) by dying nearly on
purpose! (I was doing some Pindle runs when my game suddenly became
incredibly laggy. When that happens with Pindle, it usually means that
I can throw javelins at his pack all day long and they won't take any
damage, but they'll still be able to charge me... so, that was what
happened. (I think this is lag due to my connection, not the server.
When the server lags, the monsters just stand still and do nothing.)

Usually, when it happens I save & exit - the risk of losing the exp
isn't worth sticking around and probably not doing visible damage to
them before dying - but now I managed to blow up Pindle right when he
was about to reach me and saw the drop. A GREEN DIADEM! A FREAKING
GREEN DIADEM! I tried to grab it, but the rest of the pack killed me.
After that the way to Pindle's "room" was, of course, guarded by an
impenetrable pack of undead. I tried to get there, but it was
hopeless. The whole entrance was full of them and the game was
laaaaaaggyyyyy...

I figured that I might get disconnected any time and perhaps wouldn't
be able to come back to the game, so I had to get the diadem ASAP, so
I decided to lure them away while naked. I wasn't exactly patient with
that, so I died many many many times, doing many premature attempts to
grab the diadem from the middle of Pindle's pack... but I did get the
diadem (and it did get saved)!

Now I just wish that I hadn't already bought one. Oh well, maybe I'll
get something nice for it... or maybe I'll just make two M'avina zons.)
r***@telus.net
2004-03-03 18:23:23 UTC
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Post by Jaakko Raipala
I figured that I might get disconnected any time and perhaps wouldn't
be able to come back to the game, so I had to get the diadem ASAP, so
I decided to lure them away while naked. I wasn't exactly patient with
that, so I died many many many times, doing many premature attempts to
grab the diadem from the middle of Pindle's pack... but I did get the
diadem (and it did get saved)!
Wootage!

-- Roy L
Jaakko Raipala
2004-03-04 15:05:36 UTC
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Post by r***@telus.net
Post by Jaakko Raipala
I figured that I might get disconnected any time and perhaps wouldn't
be able to come back to the game, so I had to get the diadem ASAP, so
I decided to lure them away while naked. I wasn't exactly patient with
that, so I died many many many times, doing many premature attempts to
grab the diadem from the middle of Pindle's pack... but I did get the
diadem (and it did get saved)!
Wootage!
...but a bit stupid. Or, actually not just a bit stupid, but
incredibly stupid. I mean, finding the diadem wasn't stupid, but that
dying to get it part was. For some reason it never occured to me that
I might've just gone and *bought* myself a stack javelins - Lightning
Fury doesn't care about how crappy they are!

Well, lesson learned. Next time I won't empty my exp bar (1 mm to 88!)
on something this idiotic. In fact, I've decided not to die anymore,
so I put some of my 40-50 unspent points in passives and have started
to cast Valk (who is now immortal) before Pindle's pack. I think I can
spend an extra second on that, if it elinates the risk of losing some
really-hard-earned exp.

However, just in case, I have started to keep a Thunderstroke in my
stash...
Jaakko Raipala
2004-03-04 15:08:48 UTC
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Jaakko Raipala <***@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote:

[silly story about a series of idiotic deaths snipped]
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Well, lesson learned. Next time I won't empty my exp bar (1 mm to 88!)
I mean, *now* I have 1 mm to 88. I didn't then. I'm stupid, but not
stupid enough to die when I'm 1 mm to 88. Not even to massive lag.
LineNoise
2004-03-03 21:41:46 UTC
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Post by LineNoise
Partly, that's because 2/3rds of the monsters are fire immune, and my Orb
is a weak little thing. I have to have the merc alive to handle pit lords.
Well, I don't have that problem. :-) Maxed Ice Bolt, level 28 Orb,
level 17 Mastery. I want to meet the goddamn clone with this char - at
least ordinary Diablo dies soooooooo fast it's completely ridiculous.
See, I went for minimum Orb. 28 or 29 orb, and 10 mastery. Only one
natural point in mastery.

But I also have max FB/FM/Met, and 3 in Fbolt and counting. The CS is not
a happy place for me, I only go there when I'm rushing. Another Lem last
night, so I've got what I needed to upgrade a Viscera. Still hunting that
4-hole phase blade for my Passion, though.

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2004-03-03 22:47:43 UTC
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Well, I don't have that problem. :-) Maxed Ice Bolt, level 28 Orb,
level 17 Mastery. I want to meet the goddamn clone with this char - at
least ordinary Diablo dies soooooooo fast it's completely ridiculous.
See, I went for minimum Orb. 28 or 29 orb, and 10 mastery. Only one
natural point in mastery.
But I also have max FB/FM/Met, and 3 in Fbolt and counting. The CS is not
I think that's what I'm going to do once I find Tal's armor. (Is this
your Tal sorc?) I don't think I'm going to trade for it, since people
would ask for Ist or Gul and I reaally want those for the next toys
I'm planning right now (boring plans, just what everybody else is
doing - the main thing on my wish list right now is an IstIstIstIst
monarch).
Post by LineNoise
a happy place for me, I only go there when I'm rushing. Another Lem last
night, so I've got what I needed to upgrade a Viscera. Still hunting that
4-hole phase blade for my Passion, though.
I already have one. I've been spending Lem and Pul runes like mad,
trying to upgrade everything. I've even cubed up a few Lems... (I
think I have 4 Fals again, so I might get another upgrade done soon.)
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2004-03-03 23:38:29 UTC
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Well, I don't have that problem. :-) Maxed Ice Bolt, level 28 Orb,
level 17 Mastery. I want to meet the goddamn clone with this char - at
least ordinary Diablo dies soooooooo fast it's completely ridiculous.
See, I went for minimum Orb. 28 or 29 orb, and 10 mastery. Only one
natural point in mastery.
But I also have max FB/FM/Met, and 3 in Fbolt and counting. The CS is not
I think that's what I'm going to do once I find Tal's armor. (Is this
your Tal sorc?) I don't think I'm going to trade for it, since people
would ask for Ist or Gul and I reaally want those for the next toys
I'm planning right now (boring plans, just what everybody else is
doing - the main thing on my wish list right now is an IstIstIstIst
monarch).
Yeah, that's the Tal sorc. In combat gear (magefists and 2x 10% cast
rares, instead of chances and double nagel) she's doing 5100 avg fireball
damage, 12k meteor drop, and an 8-frame cast. If they're not FI, they're
quite quickly dead. It's especially amusing on rush games to see Andariel
go down in 6-7 FB.

I want another Ist myself, to try to make Delerium. I already have the hat
for it, too, 3-hole Sup Tiara. Unfortunately, I've traded off all but one
of the Ist I've found, and that last one resides in my tal's orb. (Which
is unfortunate as, not knowing that they varied, I socketed the worst one
possible.) I've got a Gul that I'm sure I could trade to get Ist+, but I
keep hoping one of these hellforge quests will get me a second Gul, thence
to a Vex and a HotO.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
a happy place for me, I only go there when I'm rushing. Another Lem last
night, so I've got what I needed to upgrade a Viscera. Still hunting that
4-hole phase blade for my Passion, though.
I already have one. I've been spending Lem and Pul runes like mad,
trying to upgrade everything. I've even cubed up a few Lems... (I
think I have 4 Fals again, so I might get another upgrade done soon.)
I think I could make a Fal from cubes, but since I spent my last Fal making
Lionheart, I couldn't go any higher. I spent my last Pul last night on a
Vamp Gaze. Which now I don't even know who gets to use it, I just know
that it's cool. I could make a Pul from Lem, but that would just be silly.

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2004-03-04 01:20:41 UTC
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I think that's what I'm going to do once I find Tal's armor. (Is this
your Tal sorc?) I don't think I'm going to trade for it, since people
Yeah, that's the Tal sorc. In combat gear (magefists and 2x 10% cast
rares, instead of chances and double nagel) she's doing 5100 avg fireball
You know, I think you're copying my sorcs. Especially the ones that I
haven't yet made.
Post by LineNoise
damage, 12k meteor drop, and an 8-frame cast. If they're not FI, they're
quite quickly dead. It's especially amusing on rush games to see Andariel
go down in 6-7 FB.
My FO/FW sorc kills her just by walking up to her and throwing a
Firewall. She's often dead before my sorc gets hit.

BTW, I don't want to keep two separate sets of gear, so this sorc
always fights in full MF gear. She still tears almost everything
apart, with 2 maxed resists, nearly 1000 life, blocking and so on.
I really love that char...
Post by LineNoise
I want another Ist myself, to try to make Delerium. I already have the hat
for it, too, 3-hole Sup Tiara.
Oh, I'd really like one of those. Right now the best-looking 3-socket
helm I have is a grand crown.
Post by LineNoise
Unfortunately, I've traded off all but one
of the Ist I've found, and that last one resides in my tal's orb. (Which
...and trying to trade those back would be a major hassle. The demand
for Ists is incredibly high, so people ask for ridiculous things. The
last guy I talked to wanted IK armor, M'avina's diadem and both BK
swords for 1 Ist...
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
I already have one. I've been spending Lem and Pul runes like mad,
trying to upgrade everything. I've even cubed up a few Lems... (I
think I have 4 Fals again, so I might get another upgrade done soon.)
I think I could make a Fal from cubes, but since I spent my last Fal making
My rune cubing mule has 6 Lums, 4 Kos and 4 Fals. No, wait, I pulled
one Ko and one Lum for upgrades today, so I have 5/3/4 now. Some more
on other chars...

I've been a mad cuber. Even when my first chars were in Hell I was
still cubing up everything from Tir up. For a while, I had a mule
completely full of Thul runes (...and then I moved onto a huuuuuge
collection of Amns and then Sols - after that it became tolerable).
And I've made a zillion Countess runs (again cubing up everything...
well, now I've been trying to not pick up anything lower than Ort, but
it's not working very well), so I have lots and lots and lots of those
low runes.
Post by LineNoise
Lionheart, I couldn't go any higher. I spent my last Pul last night on a
Vamp Gaze. Which now I don't even know who gets to use it, I just know
that it's cool.
I've got one Gaze that I haven't been using at all for a really long
time. I wonder what I'm going to do with it. Nobody seems to really
want it anymore. I have to say I'd rather wear Shaft/Storm + SoE or
something like that for (near-)maxed DR, too, and spend the helm slot
on something better.

I also hate the way it looks... (I suppose that if I found Leviathan I
could make some uber-ugly theme char. Hmm. No.)
Post by LineNoise
I could make a Pul from Lem, but that would just be silly.
I agree... right now. At this rate, in a month I'll probably get to
the point where Lems and Puls aren't worth really anything to me and
I'll start cubing them up too. I'm actually thinking of cubing Ums
into Ists right now, since I find lots of items that'll easily buy me
Ums and Mals, but little that'll buy me Ists (and I'll generally want
to keep that stuff for myself) (now I'm thinking of making an IK barb).

Yesterday I talked to a guy who said he rushes mules with his friends
to Hell hellforge. Now that's cheesy. And stupid. But I still sort of
wish that I knew people to do that with... (at least it doesn't
contribute to the "rushed people wearing Sigon's set on Hell Baal
runs" problem...)
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2004-03-04 04:08:52 UTC
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Post by LineNoise
Yeah, that's the Tal sorc. In combat gear (magefists and 2x 10% cast
rares, instead of chances and double nagel) she's doing 5100 avg fireball
You know, I think you're copying my sorcs. Especially the ones that I
haven't yet made.
Well, my next one is going to be a Beekeeper. I'm branching out.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
damage, 12k meteor drop, and an 8-frame cast. If they're not FI, they're
quite quickly dead. It's especially amusing on rush games to see Andariel
go down in 6-7 FB.
My FO/FW sorc kills her just by walking up to her and throwing a
Firewall. She's often dead before my sorc gets hit.
Yeah, but you expect to see FW in Hell. I mean, it's *fireball*. I killed
her in *normal* with Fireball, it shouldn't still be that uber in Hell.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
BTW, I don't want to keep two separate sets of gear, so this sorc
always fights in full MF gear. She still tears almost everything
apart, with 2 maxed resists, nearly 1000 life, blocking and so on.
I really love that char...
My "spare" gear consists of a glove and two rings, so it's not a big
challenge for storage space. And it's +1 skill and a frame faster cast on
the one, and 94%MF on the other. So I think it's worth the hassle.

In either set, it's 1300 life, max 3 resists (40% poison), and crap for
blocking. :-)
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
Unfortunately, I've traded off all but one
of the Ist I've found, and that last one resides in my tal's orb. (Which
...and trying to trade those back would be a major hassle. The demand
for Ists is incredibly high, so people ask for ridiculous things. The
last guy I talked to wanted IK armor, M'avina's diadem and both BK
swords for 1 Ist...
I'm working on an IK barb right now, but I'm sorely tempted to decide up
front that WW sucks, and start spamming channels with "Full IK 4 Ist".
Post by Jaakko Raipala
My rune cubing mule has 6 Lums, 4 Kos and 4 Fals. No, wait, I pulled
one Ko and one Lum for upgrades today, so I have 5/3/4 now. Some more
on other chars...
I think I'm up to 4 Io and 5 Lum, maybe 3 Ko. And no Fal, oddly.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
I've been a mad cuber. Even when my first chars were in Hell I was
still cubing up everything from Tir up. For a while, I had a mule
completely full of Thul runes (...and then I moved onto a huuuuuge
collection of Amns and then Sols - after that it became tolerable).
And I've made a zillion Countess runs (again cubing up everything...
well, now I've been trying to not pick up anything lower than Ort, but
it's not working very well), so I have lots and lots and lots of those
low runes.
I *still* can't seem to keep Amn in stock. Between crafting and trying to
socket various weapons (still no 4-hole Phase), I've used 'em all up. That
and Hel, for unsockets.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
I also hate the way it looks... (I suppose that if I found Leviathan I
could make some uber-ugly theme char. Hmm. No.)
I wanna make a Barb with maxed Leap Attack, Levi, Gaze and Gerke's, and
call him Kermit.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
I could make a Pul from Lem, but that would just be silly.
I agree... right now. At this rate, in a month I'll probably get to
the point where Lems and Puls aren't worth really anything to me and
I'll start cubing them up too. I'm actually thinking of cubing Ums
into Ists right now, since I find lots of items that'll easily buy me
Ums and Mals, but little that'll buy me Ists (and I'll generally want
to keep that stuff for myself) (now I'm thinking of making an IK barb).
See, Lem doesn't drop nearly often enough. I doubt I'll ever run out of
nice things to upgrade. Or Passions to make. Pul, on the other hand, I
seem to always have a spare of.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Yesterday I talked to a guy who said he rushes mules with his friends
to Hell hellforge. Now that's cheesy. And stupid. But I still sort of
wish that I knew people to do that with... (at least it doesn't
contribute to the "rushed people wearing Sigon's set on Hell Baal
runs" problem...)
We were doing a fair bit of mule-rushing on west, actually. But interest
seems to have died down, and one of the big players isn't playing.

Although, given that I was the one with the rusher sorc, all I need to do
is find a new bunch of people to put mules in my games, and we could crank
out those runes again. I've got mule-rush down pat, I've only temporarily
run out of mules.

Where'dya think I got all those Ist runes in the first place, after all?
All but one were rush runes.

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2004-03-04 09:20:12 UTC
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Post by LineNoise
damage, 12k meteor drop, and an 8-frame cast. If they're not FI, they're
quite quickly dead. It's especially amusing on rush games to see Andariel
go down in 6-7 FB.
My FO/FW sorc kills her just by walking up to her and throwing a
Firewall. She's often dead before my sorc gets hit.
Yeah, but you expect to see FW in Hell. I mean, it's *fireball*. I killed
her in *normal* with Fireball, it shouldn't still be that uber in Hell.
That's the way this game is. Every version nerfs some of the best
skills into oblivion and makes some formerly useless skills
ridiculously overpowered. I remember how some patches ago Firewall
wasn't that great. (Or do I? I've forgotten what it was like before
the timer. But it wasn't uber like it was in 1.09.)

Along with Blizzard, Fireball has been my favorite spell ever since
the game came out. Hell, even longer than that: ever since the days of
DI. I think the fact that Fireball is useful now is the best thing
about 1.10. (The weird thing is that I still don't have a SC Fireball
sorc in the 1.10 final! I'm still waiting on that Tal's armor.) (My
other dream is a pure fire sorc with +3 Fireball Ormus', Mang Song's
or at least HotO + Visce, TO belt and gloves, +3 amu and hat... was
there some skill cap after 20?)
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
BTW, I don't want to keep two separate sets of gear, so this sorc
always fights in full MF gear. She still tears almost everything
apart, with 2 maxed resists, nearly 1000 life, blocking and so on.
[...]
Post by LineNoise
In either set, it's 1300 life, max 3 resists (40% poison), and crap for
blocking. :-)
...but you have Tal's set! My equipment is Harley (no resists),
Skullder's (no resists), double Nagels (no resists) and so on. I don't
even have an Annihilius - and I only have one res charm for anything
else than the non-maxed elemental res (that's a +5 all sc).

Once I get back from playing my MF javazon I'll probably switch some
of those resists for more MF: WTs, CGs (if I could finally find ones
that would be better than the +20 something MF I have on my rares),
maybe even an amulet, if I can gamble one with +2 sorc skills and MF.
Post by LineNoise
I'm working on an IK barb right now, but I'm sorely tempted to decide up
front that WW sucks, and start spamming channels with "Full IK 4 Ist".
Really? How high is he (ie. how close are you to wearing the full
set)? The last (and one) time I had a WW barb was when the game first
came out. I would've like it then, but it was way too overpowered for
even my cheesy tastes. But now all the IK barbs I've talked to say that
the set rocks even without the armor.

Although if I were making a WW barb, I'd probably want a Tomb Reaver.
It may really just be one of those items that look cool on paper but
don't actually perform that well, but I have to try it out. So maybe
I'll try that Ist trade. (Nobody seems to want to trade just the armor
for an Ist - I wonder if the rest of the set would sweeten the deal
enough?)
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
it's not working very well), so I have lots and lots and lots of those
low runes.
I *still* can't seem to keep Amn in stock. Between crafting and trying to
socket various weapons (still no 4-hole Phase), I've used 'em all up. That
and Hel, for unsockets.
Hmm. I spend some Hels, too, but not Amns. I haven't been crafting
rings lately. Nor anything else, since I tend to find the perfect gear
for all my characters even without crafting. I've spent a *lot* of
Shaels on upgrading normal uniques, but that's the only low rune that
I spend in major quantities.
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
I also hate the way it looks... (I suppose that if I found Leviathan I
could make some uber-ugly theme char. Hmm. No.)
I wanna make a Barb with maxed Leap Attack, Levi, Gaze and Gerke's, and
call him Kermit.
Now this one actually deserves a LOL... because it's true. LOL.
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
I agree... right now. At this rate, in a month I'll probably get to
the point where Lems and Puls aren't worth really anything to me and
I'll start cubing them up too. I'm actually thinking of cubing Ums
into Ists right now, since I find lots of items that'll easily buy me
Ums and Mals, but little that'll buy me Ists (and I'll generally want
to keep that stuff for myself) (now I'm thinking of making an IK barb).
See, Lem doesn't drop nearly often enough. I doubt I'll ever run out of
nice things to upgrade. Or Passions to make. Pul, on the other hand, I
seem to always have a spare of.
Hmm. I've upgraded every piece of equipment on my chars that I want to
upgrade right now. The next batch of upgrades will probably be some
merc stuff. (I wish I had some eth Kelpies. And eth shafts.)
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Yesterday I talked to a guy who said he rushes mules with his friends
to Hell hellforge. Now that's cheesy. And stupid. But I still sort of
wish that I knew people to do that with... (at least it doesn't
contribute to the "rushed people wearing Sigon's set on Hell Baal
runs" problem...)
Although, given that I was the one with the rusher sorc, all I need to do
is find a new bunch of people to put mules in my games, and we could crank
out those runes again. I've got mule-rush down pat, I've only temporarily
run out of mules.
Hmm. I'd offer to make a bunch of mules there in exchange for a bunch
of mules on Europe, but the timezone problem is probably unworkable. I
think sitting every other game out while someone else gets a rune
would still take much less time (and *much* less pain) than finding
someone to rush from the channels, explaining the idea to them and then
finally have them attempt to steal the rune anyway.

I don't remember if I posted about this yet, but after you reminded me
of this Hellforge rushing idea, I've occasionally tried to find people
to do it with, but it's *hopeless*. It seems like about half the people
who ask for rushing don't know what the Hellforge quest *is* and are
too suspicious to trade it away - and most of the people that do know
about the quest respond very unpolitely (but IMO entirely appropriately)
when they hear my price.
Post by LineNoise
Where'dya think I got all those Ist runes in the first place, after all?
All but one were rush runes.
Now I *really* wish I knew someone to do that with!
LineNoise
2004-03-04 11:46:31 UTC
Permalink
"Bother!", said Pooh, as he read Jaakko Raipala's latest post to
alt.games.diablo.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Along with Blizzard, Fireball has been my favorite spell ever since
the game came out. Hell, even longer than that: ever since the days of
DI. I think the fact that Fireball is useful now is the best thing
about 1.10. (The weird thing is that I still don't have a SC Fireball
sorc in the 1.10 final! I'm still waiting on that Tal's armor.) (My
other dream is a pure fire sorc with +3 Fireball Ormus', Mang Song's
or at least HotO + Visce, TO belt and gloves, +3 amu and hat... was
there some skill cap after 20?)
If all you want is the biggest FB ever, I think HotO made in a +3 FB/FM
staff would be even bigger. Leaves you with no shield for block or res,
though.

There's no cap on +skills that I know of, aside from getting only +3 from
the oskill on Trang. I'd rather have Magefist/Arach for those slots. One
less FB, but +2 fire/+1 all, better mana, and 40% FC. Part of the reason
Jasmine (the tal sorc) kills so damn fast is that she's casting at 110% FC
with the 'fists and rings on. That's slightly better than 3 FB per second.
15.5k per sec in pure firey goodness.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
...but you have Tal's set! My equipment is Harley (no resists),
Skullder's (no resists), double Nagels (no resists) and so on. I don't
even have an Annihilius - and I only have one res charm for anything
else than the non-maxed elemental res (that's a +5 all sc).
I do have Tal's. I also have a 20/19/6 Anni charm and a Pdiamond Lidless.
The rest of my gear has basically no res. (Chances, 2xNagel, WT, mostly
life/mana charms, some mfsc) That's the beauty of the full set thing.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Once I get back from playing my MF javazon I'll probably switch some
of those resists for more MF: WTs, CGs (if I could finally find ones
that would be better than the +20 something MF I have on my rares),
maybe even an amulet, if I can gamble one with +2 sorc skills and MF.
I've got a +3 cold/MF and a +3 lit/MF, and a +1 sorc/10% FC/MF. Very few
if any +2 rare ammies, so far. Plenty of circlets though.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
I'm working on an IK barb right now, but I'm sorely tempted to decide up
front that WW sucks, and start spamming channels with "Full IK 4 Ist".
Really? How high is he (ie. how close are you to wearing the full
set)? The last (and one) time I had a WW barb was when the game first
came out. I would've like it then, but it was way too overpowered for
even my cheesy tastes. But now all the IK barbs I've talked to say that
the set rocks even without the armor.
I just started him last night, I think. Level 42 and ready to kill baal
for credit, but I'm holding off in case I can carry a mule or two with him.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Although if I were making a WW barb, I'd probably want a Tomb Reaver.
It may really just be one of those items that look cool on paper but
don't actually perform that well, but I have to try it out. So maybe
I'll try that Ist trade. (Nobody seems to want to trade just the armor
for an Ist - I wonder if the rest of the set would sweeten the deal
enough?)
The only WW barb I would ever make is full IK, because I don't much like
WW, but I can't think of a better skillset to use with IK. Big two handed
thing really wants to be whirled.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Hmm. I spend some Hels, too, but not Amns. I haven't been crafting
rings lately. Nor anything else, since I tend to find the perfect gear
for all my characters even without crafting. I've spent a *lot* of
Shaels on upgrading normal uniques, but that's the only low rune that
I spend in major quantities.
I'm using a few Amn on crafts, but more of them on Ral+Amn+Pamethyst makes
sockets in a weapon. Once on a +3 enchant staff (got 4 holes, might make a
Memory) and three times on a Phase Blade (1-hole, 2-hole, 5-hole).

The big demand for crafting runes for me is Sol and Ral. Blood rings and
Caster ammys. I've got a couple of nice 8% blood rings so far, one with 8%
res all on top. Not much luck on the casters, aside from a +2 elemental
(druid) caster.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
I wanna make a Barb with maxed Leap Attack, Levi, Gaze and Gerke's, and
call him Kermit.
Now this one actually deserves a LOL... because it's true. LOL.
Highly impractical, of course, but I laughed when I thought of it, and
again when I read it back.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Hmm. I've upgraded every piece of equipment on my chars that I want to
upgrade right now. The next batch of upgrades will probably be some
merc stuff. (I wish I had some eth Kelpies. And eth shafts.)
I've upped two normal Shafts so far. Got a third from Andariel on a rush
tonight, was very happy. Probably sell that one though, don't really need
three of them. I've got a couple of shields that I want to upgrade next,
Viscera and Moser's.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
Although, given that I was the one with the rusher sorc, all I need to do
is find a new bunch of people to put mules in my games, and we could crank
out those runes again. I've got mule-rush down pat, I've only temporarily
run out of mules.
Hmm. I'd offer to make a bunch of mules there in exchange for a bunch
of mules on Europe, but the timezone problem is probably unworkable. I
think sitting every other game out while someone else gets a rune
would still take much less time (and *much* less pain) than finding
someone to rush from the channels, explaining the idea to them and then
finally have them attempt to steal the rune anyway.
Actually, my latest scheme is that I've got a fourth mule account full of
nothing but rush mules, and with a password that I don't mind sharing. So
I've got the mules all right there ready to go, and I only need someone
else to login on it and sit through a rush. Given how many people are in
the agd games on any given evening, it might even work.

I also discovered that it's entirely possible for me to get hell hellforges
without any help at all. I have two comps, so I rushed a mule to act 5,
then made a public game called "baal 4 quest". Somebody joined, I invited
them, then teleported down to the throne with my rusher sorc and trashed
the joint. Joe Q. Public got his easy quest credit, and I pushed my mule
into NM. Rinse and repeat for NM. Worked fairly well. Hour and a half or
so of work, a bit of luck with the pubbies, and I'm up by Thul, Um, Pul and
a handful of pgems. And the aforementioned Shaft, but that's just dumb
luck. I think I'll be doing this some more.

Bulk rushing is still more efficient, assuming I can get anybody to man the
mules. But the one-at-a-time method is easier to organize.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
I don't remember if I posted about this yet, but after you reminded me
of this Hellforge rushing idea, I've occasionally tried to find people
to do it with, but it's *hopeless*. It seems like about half the people
who ask for rushing don't know what the Hellforge quest *is* and are
too suspicious to trade it away - and most of the people that do know
about the quest respond very unpolitely (but IMO entirely appropriately)
when they hear my price.
Whereas I've done two NM and a Hell rush today, not counting self-rushing
my mule through all three diffs. Different climate on West vs. Europe
maybe? All I do is advertise in the default channel, and/or scan the game
list for requests for rushes. Sometimes I even get other people requesting
it in channel, then all I have to do is reply.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
Where'dya think I got all those Ist runes in the first place, after all?
All but one were rush runes.
Now I *really* wish I knew someone to do that with!
If you've got a second comp, you might try the pubbie method. Other than
that, I dunno. Not enough AGD people on Europe I guess.

LineNoise
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Jaakko Raipala
2004-03-04 13:04:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by LineNoise
"Bother!", said Pooh, as he read Jaakko Raipala's latest post to
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Along with Blizzard, Fireball has been my favorite spell ever since
the game came out. Hell, even longer than that: ever since the days of
DI. I think the fact that Fireball is useful now is the best thing
about 1.10. (The weird thing is that I still don't have a SC Fireball
sorc in the 1.10 final! I'm still waiting on that Tal's armor.) (My
other dream is a pure fire sorc with +3 Fireball Ormus', Mang Song's
or at least HotO + Visce, TO belt and gloves, +3 amu and hat... was
there some skill cap after 20?)
If all you want is the biggest FB ever, I think HotO made in a +3 FB/FM
staff would be even bigger. Leaves you with no shield for block or res,
though.
Of course, but that's much harder to find than even Mang Song's... I
like to keep the dream realistic, you see. I've seen Mang Songs for
trade and I'm "only" missing a Vex from HotO, but I've never seen any
staff that comes close to being as good as the +1 and resists from a
shield that I'd lose. Or I have, but not with the right number of
sockets. I've even been putting sockets with the cube recipe on those
that can get 4 sockets, but no luck.
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Once I get back from playing my MF javazon I'll probably switch some
of those resists for more MF: WTs, CGs (if I could finally find ones
that would be better than the +20 something MF I have on my rares),
maybe even an amulet, if I can gamble one with +2 sorc skills and MF.
I've got a +3 cold/MF and a +3 lit/MF, and a +1 sorc/10% FC/MF. Very few
if any +2 rare ammies, so far. Plenty of circlets though.
I've got some *very* good ones, like +2 skills, >+10 all resists and
some other nice bonuses.
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
I'm working on an IK barb right now, but I'm sorely tempted to decide up
front that WW sucks, and start spamming channels with "Full IK 4 Ist".
I just started him last night, I think. Level 42 and ready to kill baal
for credit, but I'm holding off in case I can carry a mule or two with him.
Well, I hope you tell me your opinion on the set once he's old enough
to wear it.
Post by LineNoise
I've upped two normal Shafts so far. Got a third from Andariel on a rush
tonight, was very happy. Probably sell that one though, don't really need
I'd like about 10 shafts for my mercs. Right now my standard merc
armors are Duriel's (1 eth one) and Gladiator's, but shafts would be
better.
Post by LineNoise
three of them. I've got a couple of shields that I want to upgrade next,
Viscera and Moser's.
I've got those upgraded. They're nice.
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Hmm. I'd offer to make a bunch of mules there in exchange for a bunch
of mules on Europe, but the timezone problem is probably unworkable. I
think sitting every other game out while someone else gets a rune
would still take much less time (and *much* less pain) than finding
someone to rush from the channels, explaining the idea to them and then
finally have them attempt to steal the rune anyway.
Actually, my latest scheme is that I've got a fourth mule account full of
nothing but rush mules, and with a password that I don't mind sharing. So
I've got the mules all right there ready to go, and I only need someone
else to login on it and sit through a rush. Given how many people are in
the agd games on any given evening, it might even work.
Yeah, that's what I'd do, if I could find someone to do it with.
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
to do it with, but it's *hopeless*. It seems like about half the people
who ask for rushing don't know what the Hellforge quest *is* and are
too suspicious to trade it away - and most of the people that do know
about the quest respond very unpolitely (but IMO entirely appropriately)
when they hear my price.
Whereas I've done two NM and a Hell rush today, not counting self-rushing
my mule through all three diffs. Different climate on West vs. Europe
maybe? All I do is advertise in the default channel, and/or scan the game
list for requests for rushes.
Ah, but the default channels for me are the Finnish channels, which
are not visited by that many people, but rather the same regulars over
and over again. The climate on the default channel is usually very
much against rushing, so advertising there would only get me massively
flamed. There really isn't any popular general channel on Europe where
that kind of advertising would work. I suppose I could try the trade
channels, but that's a long shot.
Post by LineNoise
Sometimes I even get other people requesting it in channel, then all
I have to do is reply.
Sometimes people ask for it on the Finnish channels... and get
massively flamed. I've tried whispering those people, but then I get
the replies that I outlined above. The game list is equally hopeless.
Post by LineNoise
If you've got a second comp, you might try the pubbie method. Other than
Hmm, if I had a second computer, why would I need the pubbies?
Post by LineNoise
that, I dunno. Not enough AGD people on Europe I guess.
I guess.
LineNoise
2004-03-04 19:18:44 UTC
Permalink
"Bother!", said Pooh, as he read Jaakko Raipala's latest post to
alt.games.diablo.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Of course, but that's much harder to find than even Mang Song's... I
like to keep the dream realistic, you see. I've seen Mang Songs for
trade and I'm "only" missing a Vex from HotO, but I've never seen any
staff that comes close to being as good as the +1 and resists from a
shield that I'd lose. Or I have, but not with the right number of
sockets. I've even been putting sockets with the cube recipe on those
that can get 4 sockets, but no luck.
If you spend a quest reward on it, Larzuk will always give max sockets on
white items.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
Post by LineNoise
I'm working on an IK barb right now, but I'm sorely tempted to decide up
front that WW sucks, and start spamming channels with "Full IK 4 Ist".
I just started him last night, I think. Level 42 and ready to kill baal
for credit, but I'm holding off in case I can carry a mule or two with him.
Well, I hope you tell me your opinion on the set once he's old enough
to wear it.
Assuming he gets that far, of course. I've tried 5/6ths of the set out
already, my fury druid was wearing all but the hat by the time he finished
Hell. It's *very* nice for the druid, lemme tell you. But he's got that
whole form-shift fury thing going on, much nicer to have a very fast
zeal-like thing than WW, I think. But we'll see.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
I'd like about 10 shafts for my mercs. Right now my standard merc
armors are Duriel's (1 eth one) and Gladiator's, but shafts would be
better.
I've got Duriel's on a couple, Gladiator's on one, and Skulldurs on the tal
sorc's. I think I gave the second upped shaft to the enchantress's merc,
but now he doesn't have any CBF, so I dunno. Vamp and Duriel's might be
better, once the barb grows up enough to take IK instead of the gaze. That
also assumes I can find another Duriel on a mule, or steal one of the
others. Or find a better armor for the enchantress herself, and steal that
one.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
three of them. I've got a couple of shields that I want to upgrade next,
Viscera and Moser's.
I've got those upgraded. They're nice.
I'm trying to decide which one to up first. Right now the Viscera is just
my weapon-switch for enchanting, along with Hexfire. She's using Moser's
as her primary, for the 63 res all. But the Beekeeper will definately be
using upped Viscera all the time, once I get around to making her.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Ah, but the default channels for me are the Finnish channels, which
are not visited by that many people, but rather the same regulars over
and over again. The climate on the default channel is usually very
much against rushing, so advertising there would only get me massively
flamed. There really isn't any popular general channel on Europe where
that kind of advertising would work. I suppose I could try the trade
channels, but that's a long shot.
Yeah, there's probably a whole heck of a lot more people in the channels I
get dumped in when I start. Given that I usually get dumped in 22 or 23.
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
If you've got a second comp, you might try the pubbie method. Other than
Hmm, if I had a second computer, why would I need the pubbies?
Because you need some character in the game getting legit baal credit in
order for your mule to pass to the next diff. Unless you want to spend
time leveling all those rushees to 40 to get past NM ancients, which slows
the whole thing down tremendously.

LineNoise
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Jaakko Raipala
2004-03-04 21:22:44 UTC
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Post by LineNoise
"Bother!", said Pooh, as he read Jaakko Raipala's latest post to
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Of course, but that's much harder to find than even Mang Song's... I
like to keep the dream realistic, you see. I've seen Mang Songs for
trade and I'm "only" missing a Vex from HotO, but I've never seen any
staff that comes close to being as good as the +1 and resists from a
shield that I'd lose. Or I have, but not with the right number of
sockets. I've even been putting sockets with the cube recipe on those
that can get 4 sockets, but no luck.
If you spend a quest reward on it, Larzuk will always give max sockets on
white items.
...and he doesn't reroll the +skills. So yes, maybe I only need to
find a white one that can get 4 sockets. Hmm. I guess I have a reason
to run around with all my zero MF chars, then.

BTW, I already have a Gul rune...
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
Post by LineNoise
I'm working on an IK barb right now, but I'm sorely tempted to decide up
front that WW sucks, and start spamming channels with "Full IK 4 Ist".
Well, I hope you tell me your opinion on the set once he's old enough
to wear it.
BTW, I traded my IK armor away for an Ist today. My monarch isn't yet
any better than my Rhyme, though, so not a big deal yet... but I only
need an Um to cube another Ist. After that I have no idea what I'm
going to do. I guess I'll have to find 2 more IK armors. Or 4 shakos
or storms. Or... sigh.

I also traded for Nat's claw. I already have a name for an assassin,
too, so she's actually going to get started today.
Post by LineNoise
Hell. It's *very* nice for the druid, lemme tell you. But he's got that
whole form-shift fury thing going on, much nicer to have a very fast
zeal-like thing than WW, I think. But we'll see.
Hmm. Back in the days when I had a WW barb, I had no problems with the
speed, but it was ridiculously overpowered then - my barb with crap
gear (and I mean *crap*, that was one of my very first chars and in
SP) was swimming in Hell cows like it was nothing. I wonder how it
works now. I'm actually not worried about the speed as such, but the
killing speed. My sorcs can waste most mobs of non-immunes in
seconds. After that barbs feel slow no matter what you do.

(I like Frenzy, though. I'm thinking of giving up on trying to trade
the Bul-Kathos' set I have and making another frenzy barb. Or maybe
I'll just give BK to my old one and use the Sazabi's he has with some
other char - it's fast, so I'll love it with any char. :-) My frenzy
barb will be better off with Arreats+BK anyway. I just wonder if I
have any good armors around...) (The BK set is slow, BTW. I wonder if
socketing the swords with Shaels would help.)
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Ah, but the default channels for me are the Finnish channels, which
are not visited by that many people, but rather the same regulars over
and over again. The climate on the default channel is usually very
much against rushing, so advertising there would only get me massively
flamed. There really isn't any popular general channel on Europe where
that kind of advertising would work. I suppose I could try the trade
channels, but that's a long shot.
Yeah, there's probably a whole heck of a lot more people in the channels I
get dumped in when I start. Given that I usually get dumped in 22 or 23.
Hmm. In the evenings there's actually usually 2-3 channels of over 20
people, but... well, I just logged on and I recognized right away
about half of the people I saw on the first screen. Not a very good
place to advertise.
Post by LineNoise
Post by Jaakko Raipala
Post by LineNoise
If you've got a second comp, you might try the pubbie method. Other than
Hmm, if I had a second computer, why would I need the pubbies?
Because you need some character in the game getting legit baal credit in
order for your mule to pass to the next diff. Unless you want to spend
Oh. Good to know. Thanks.

short
2004-03-04 14:49:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by LineNoise
"Bother!", said Pooh, as he read Jordan's latest post to alt.games.diablo.
Post by Jordan
Planning a Cold/Lightning sorc will she be able to handle the pit
guys?
If you want to do a lot of pitting, I wouldn't recommend a sorc for it.
If
Post by LineNoise
you want to make an MF sorc, I wouldn't recommend running her in the pit.
You can get immunes to all three elements in there, so you'll be switching
attacks a lot.
Bowazon or Necro or Barb runs pit better. There's never any phys immunes
down there, aside from possibly a stoneskin Skel boss. For a sorc,
Meph/Baal are both good choices. Also Pindle, but not Shenk/Eld if you're
mostly cold.
I haven't tried with those, but I know my Sorc does seem to have problems
(CL/FO). The main problem is that the CI/LI's are so damn fast, and they
swarm my merc something fierce, or stunlock me with arrows. Nasty females,
is what they are.

Anyway, I think a sorc with some sort of Fire Skill would be a better
choice, because the Merc can take on the fallen guys with no problem, but
the others give him fits if there is a big enough group.

My sorc has an Orb with +3 Firewall that she uses (with ok results) when
they pop out CI/LI.



short - if she only had a Valk to keep them still, it would work better
Bill Thompson
2004-03-03 07:35:19 UTC
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Post by Jordan
Planning a Cold/Lightning sorc will she be able to handle the pit
guys?
I built a trapassasin, currently level 80, who made pit runs with 450 MF
with no problems whatsoever.

Using an Act V merc, (started with an Act 1 rogue and decided it wasn't a
good match for this character). So far he is making a great tank, although
it took a lot of levelling before he wouldn't die all the time.

Pretty standard build I guess:
Max Wake of Inferno
Max Lightning Sentry
Max Death Sentry
9 into fire blast
Remaining pts. in shadow warrior and fade (for resists and damage
reduction).

The key is to use cloak of shadows and mind blast, lots of death sentry and
tossing a few fire blasts. I haven't yet run into anything that can't be
killed.

Equip:
+3 to traps ammy
+3 to traps katar
+2 to all katar
100 MF Gull Dagger
25 MF Rhyme
25 MF rare boots (also has 20% faster r/w, 20% fr, 30% lr)
40 MF Chance guards
30 MF Goldwrap
22 MF magic ring (also has 89 mana)
96 MF 4 socket p-topaz armor
72 MF 3 socket p-topaz helm
various charms make up the rest

resists are decent with fade on.

My first 4 pit runs I got Griswold armor, naj's staff, ormus wrap, and a 5
socket colossis (sp) sword (made the Honor rune word and gave it to the
merc). Much like Brave Sir Robin I thought "this is easy!" (who would cross
the bridge of death must answer me these questions three 'ere the other side
he see).

My next 20 runs have turned up nothing of value. I'm currently starting Act
III (after I got the merc levelled up I decided to go ahead and try to
finish hell [not looking forwards to the gloams {I guess I'll mind blast the
heck out of 'em}]).
Keld Klejne
2004-03-03 10:21:38 UTC
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If you want to make Pit runs, I can recommend a Hybridzon, with Lightning
Fury (LF) as main attack, and Freezing Arrow/Guided Arrow as secondary
attack. I have a slvl 90 ama with 350 % MF, and I make mostly Eldrich,
Shrenk, Pindle and Pitruns, and it takes me only 7-8 min. to make one run.
My LF (lvl 31) kills all non-LI instantly, and I kill the LI-monster with
either Jab or my Buriza.



Forget sorc if u want to clear the Pit fast, because there are only very few
LI monsters (always Archers, and some uniques).



In my opinion is the ama the best MF-char, because she can wear a lot of
MF-gear without loosing her ability to kill, and more important, the ama has
some very useful passive skill, Avoid, Dodge and Evade, which gives her a
much bigger chance to survive.



Good luck



Greetings from Tim
Post by Jordan
Planning a Cold/Lightning sorc will she be able to handle the pit
guys?
Manuel Pfeiffer
2004-03-03 13:34:25 UTC
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Post by Keld Klejne
Forget sorc if u want to clear the Pit fast, because there are only very few
LI monsters (always Archers, and some uniques).
My sorc uses fireball and chain lightning as main attacks and she has no
problems with clearing the pit in short time.
MF about 430, using a great +3 eschutas with 18/20 increased fire/lightning
damage.
N2trains
2004-03-03 23:12:14 UTC
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hammerdin... nothing else comes close, nothing magic immune, very high
blocking and with just mid range mf gear will do just fine :)

Brandon
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Planning a Cold/Lightning sorc will she be able to handle the pit
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